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hso_mods ([personal profile] hso_mods) wrote in [community profile] hs_olympics2012-06-05 10:10 pm
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Tagging Policy

Hi shippers,
The mods have now been discussing the tagging policy for quite some time. We want to make the entries accessible to as many people as possible--but we also want to make tagging the entries possible for creators, especially as there was no clear and general understanding of what triggers were at the time of sign-ups.
As a result, we have come up with the following solution to try to maximize the protections we can offer to our community. While we are in no way trying to dismiss the severity of rare triggers, numerous people have expressed serious anxiety over the length of the original list and their ability to account for everything listed--especially as many of these tags do not have firm boundaries in their definitions. Our hope is that this system will make it possible for creators to actually use the tagging system, while still offering adequate warnings to a majority of participants.
Over 200 people wrote in with ~400 requests for ~100 different tags. The 15 tags requested by 5 or more people account for roughly 300 of those requests. We feel that this is a reasonable balance; if we extended the Category Two cut-off to 3 or more requests, it would double the number of tags while only accounting for 30 more requests.
In addition, we will be requiring that you either list all characters and ships in the fanwork, or opt out of listing.

The following list of tags were requested by more than 10 people. When tagging your main round entries, you must either 1) tag them, or 2) opt out of using each tag individually (a blanket 'no Cat.1 tags used' is acceptable).

SEXUAL ASSAULT
NON-CON
GORE/VORE
SELF-HARM
SUICIDE
INCEST
NSFW
BODY HORROR
DUBCON
ABUSE


Cat.1 tagging, sample 1:
TAGS PRESENT: self-harm, NSFW
TAGS NOT USED: suicide, incest
No other Cat.1 tags apply.


Cat.1 tagging, sample 2:
TAGS PRESENT: none
TAGS NOT USED: none


Cat.1 tagging, sample 3:
TAGS PRESENT: n/a
TAGS NOT USED: no Cat.1 tags used


The following list of tags were requested by 5-10 people. You must either 1) use these tags or 2) opt out of using these tags. If you wish to opt out of using individual tags, you may do so.

EATING DISORDERS
DRUGS
PEDOPHILIA
CHARACTER DEATH
TRYPOPHOBIA


Cat.2 tagging, sample 1:
TAGS PRESENT: drugs
No other Cat.2 tags apply.


Cat.2 tagging, sample 2:
TAGS PRESENT: none
TAGS NOT USED: eating disorders, drugs, trypophobia
No other Cat.2 tags apply.


Cat.2 tagging, sample 3:
TAGS PRESENT: n/a
TAGS NOT USED: no Cat.2 tags used


Feel free to elaborate on any tags, or add your own. If you would like to use Category Three tags (tags with fewer than 5 requests), please email us at homestuck.shipping@gmail.com and we will send you the fully updated list.

Category One
TAGS PRESENT: non-con (mind control)
TAGS NOT USED: none
No other Cat.1 tags apply.

Category Two
TAGS PRESENT: none
TAGS NOT USED: none

Category Three
TAGS PRESENT: eye trauma, strobes

ADDITIONAL TAGS: none


We welcome your feedback, but ask that you email us if you want to be sure we will hear what you have to say; we cannot guarantee that we will be able to read and/or respond to every comment.

[personal profile] sadisticbutsweet 2012-06-06 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
Okay...I'm trying to understand the difference between "Tags present" and "Tags not used". Can you explain it? I mean, obviously the "Tags present" are the ones that are publicly seen when people go to look at the work, but what's the use of "tags not used"? Are those like the specific tags that people should warn for, but it would give away a plot point? I'm sorry, I'm simply a little confused.
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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-06 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Still not quite clear on this... does that mean the first example would show up on the posted entry as something like:

TAGS: self-harm, NSFW, other non-specified Cat-1 tags

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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-07 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
Then how is that opting out? If all the tags are there and just under a cut, then what's the difference between the "present" tags and the "not used" tags?
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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-08 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
But it was said just below that the tags header will be under a separate cut, meaning all of them will be hidden from people who don't choose to look, was Mimicre mistaken about that?

And if the "not used" tags will be labelled on the entry anyway, even under a spoiler cut, I still don't understand how that's "opting out".
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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-09 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
But if you still have to list it in the second header, you're not opting out of anything. That's what I'm saying. If all the tags have to be there regardless, then that is not an option to opt out in any way, you're still just making tagging for everything compulsory.

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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-11 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
if you are specifically not using tags, then they will be displayed as things you have chosen not to tag.

...

How do you not see that this is a contradiction? If they're displayed at all, then they are being tagged. If this is how it works, then you're not allowing us to opt out of anything, you're only splitting the tags meaninglessly into two sections!
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[personal profile] crabbygreymalkin 2012-06-13 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, okay, that's starting to make sense now, thankyou. The post says you have to opt out of each one individually, and doesn't make it clear that that's a specifically a team thing.
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[personal profile] saingirl101 2012-06-06 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
So to clarify. When the palhoncho ultimately submits the entry to the mods for the round, we should add a blurb about tags we used and tags we did not use?
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[personal profile] saingirl101 2012-06-06 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
More clarification: I understand we need to include for Category 1 & 2 whether or not we used tags from those categories, but how does category 3 work? Like how do we know if what we put as additional tags are normal informative tags or should fall into category 3?
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[personal profile] saingirl101 2012-06-07 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Alright. I was just double checking as its better to be safe than sorry. Thank you for the confirmation.
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[personal profile] fintastic 2012-06-06 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I see what you're going for and I appreciate all the thought you've put into this! But I'm not sure what the purpose of "tags not used" is? Is that saying that these things exist in this fic but we're choosing not to tag them?

I think I'm just having a hard time understanding the examples because there's no context. So let's just say I submit a fic for my team, and suppose for just this one, the mods read it over and find that it contains suicide and abuse. How would this be tagged?
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[personal profile] fintastic 2012-06-06 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
But what would the correct format for my suggestion look like, is what I'm asking. Like if I followed all the rules and tagged it perfectly, what would it look like?
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[personal profile] fintastic 2012-06-08 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Alright thanks that helps a lot!
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[personal profile] jack_of_none 2012-06-07 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm sort of confused about the 'tags not used' part, too. Is that "stuff that's not in the fic" or a Choose Not To Tag option or...?
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[personal profile] dogtierlions 2012-06-07 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
I -- like the other shippers as well, I am sure! -- seriously appreciate all the trouble you are going through on behalf of the HSO participants in the area of trigger warnings... But I really would love if there was a way to address things such as flashy gifs. It is less of a 'trigger' and more of a health hazard in the way of epilepsy. I know there are wonderful artists on here, and I would hate to miss out on something really swell because of this, but I have before and it's really upsetting!